and there's a lot of target-rich environment in the holes that have been offered by the ryan plan. so i think the first thing is, let's get a great vice presidential debate and reset the stage for the president to come out and get after it again. >> ed, thank you so much. we love when we can get you in here early in the morning. >> i like it. it's good to be here. i know a lot of liberals in this country are frustrated right now. this is a bump in the road. it's not a redirect. >> ed schultz, catch him weeknights here on msnbc at 8:00 p.m. he plays for politics. thank you. >>> i just want to point out we are paying attention to what's going on in denver right now with a president obama rally scheduled for 12:05. coming up in roughly an hour. 12:05 eastern time. we'll keep an eye on that. >>> we want to bring in our debate post-game power, joy reed, we have anita dunn, former white house communications director, and john baybender who served on rick santorum's presidential campaign. gang, good to have you here. julian, you were saying yesterday don't try too hard for that moment and